All posts by Lucariobot

Well it is still them working for the villain in question so I'd say they're still fine to be under the category and pawns are still minions in a sense.

No personality therefore he doesn't count, end of discussion.

The original proposal was plagiarised, ergo the 're-proposal' is just a regular proposal since no previous proposal exists.

Samuel Norton.

Just because some other wiki has it, doesn't mean this wiki will, and there's a problem with that, it basically involves relying on the judgement of a wiki with a different staff team for a character that wouldn't even end up here, the only thing categories should be based on are pages from THIS wiki, factoring a wiki for different characters into it just complicates things needlessly.

It kind of already is a rule, just not a written one, the criteria aren't simple metrics after all, it's all case-by-case leaving room for traits that while redeeming on paper are rendered a non-disqualifier by the presentation, likewise heinousness itself can be a subjective line.

It's just sockpuppets, ignore it.

I actually forgot those details, suppose it's because I haven't seen the anime in a while and have mostly stuck with the manga.

The manga is somewhat different since the anime actually omits a lot of the second half, in the manga Near is more thorough in shredding apart Light's rhetoric as nothing more than stroking his own ego and saying that someone who claims to be god while killing people left and right is definitely evil by Near's standards, plus the anime omitted way too many internal monologues.

A big part of it has to do with the fact that the heinous standard of the franchise is mainly comprised of villains who would be considered too nasty, with some of the obvious non-qualifiers like Redd White or Excellius Winner(What an AA name LOL) being among those you have to compete with heinousness-wise but the fact that those who would make for the likeliest candidates have other issues alongside the disproportionate retribution shows why PE/MB crossovers are so rare in general, even those who can be considered as not being too much of a bastard will have other issues such as Light Yagami who by the time the second half of the manga rolls around gets a lot cockier and his hubris allows the combination of Near and Mello to best him at the end with that villainous breakdown at the end being the final nail in the coffin.

No disagreement there.

TBH I will somewhat disagree on Dahlia Hawthorne, she's able to manipulate people flawlessly sure but the fact she's a failure and even tried to kill her own cousin just to spite Mia Fey for getting her executed, plus the several kick the dog moment of telling Phoenix Wright she hated his guts and taunting him about Maya's supposed death doesn't serve any purpose beyond rubbing salt in the wound, that final breakdown is more the nail in the coffin on her ever having a chance, not really a bad choice in the end though.

To name my own example: Grimmel The Grisly from How To Train Your Dragon 3, not going to bother explaining so only those in the know of Grimmel's history regarding the MB trope can guess LOL.

To explain, villains who set the baseline and are from older works are given some lenience on account of when the work came out, since films from an older time period tend to have different content standards compared to today, essentially, something from the early 1900s wouldn't be held to the same standard as a modern film.

My point is the fact some push him actually being some hero like he isn’t at all villainous is absolutely DILP since the manga does make a point of saying what he’s doing is evil even if the endgoal is good.

There are some caveats to it though since there are those who call him a hero while the creator has called him 'very evil' in the same sentence as saying L is 'slightly evil' and that 'only Soichiro is good' in regards to how they treat human life so Light is 100% intended to be a villain on account of how murder-happy he is and people will deny him being evil at all when he's clearly meant to be such, I mean as early as the first chapter he describes plans to kill off those who harass others and at the end of the manga Near actually shreds his rhetoric rather thoroughly by saying that someone who claims to be a god while killing people left and right is definitely evil by his standards which adding in what the creator said, we are meant to agree with what Near says.

That one I personally don't see the point in since the behaviours would usually be covered by another category but I could maybe see a case, would likely leave it up to admin consensus though.

This wiki doesn't need a 'fake x' counterpart for every redeeming category, not to mention qualifiers can be loyal to an ideology or a system, it's just when it's to an individual that it ends up being redeeming.

A user being disruptive.

It's quite simple really, just don't reply and it should be solved in no time since admins are notified by reports.