I've been working on Sgorr's page for a long time to try and raise awareness of Fire Bringer. But what about you? What obscure PE villain do you think should get more attention?
I've been working on Sgorr's page for a long time to try and raise awareness of Fire Bringer. But what about you? What obscure PE villain do you think should get more attention?
I just finished re-reading Fire Bringer and added more info to the page of it's PE villain, Sgorr. And I began to notice more and more similarities between him and Scar then before. And now I wonder if he's a complete ripoff or the writer just took some of Scar's traits and took them to the next level.
Think there's enough difference between Scar and Sgorr for them to be distinct? And if so, how would you compare them? Or do you think we have a ripoff? Here are their pages.
https://pure-evil-villains.fandom.com/wiki/Scar_(Disney)?so=search
https://pure-evil-villains.fandom.com/wiki/Sgorr
Scroop, despite killing Arrow, helped save more lives during the supernova.
Love feels more threatening to me. Randall lacks character.
He's not a good character to me.
Name some.
Not by me.
Well, even characters meant to be hated still need to be characters. And characters need to be three dimensional.
Randall and Sully?
Randall Boggs... because I relate to him in University and he became a one note hate-sink after that. But even as that one note hate-sink, I admired him more than Sully. Because I've dealt with bullies who are very much like Sully. Just another example of "As kids, we want to be the heroes. As adults, we understand the villains."
Slightly more to the Queen. Their both products of an older and outdated times.
One of the drawbacks of PE villains, is that it's very easy to make them one or to dimensional hate sinks with no characteristics outside of that. I think a good villain, even one who's pure evil, is one whom you can at least understand.
Does anyone have any examples?
The scene in episode 3 of s1 where Cersei is tending Joffrey's wound is the only time where Joffrey seems like a three dimensional character. He’s embarrassed, insecure about living up to his father, and was initially honest about how he failed. I kind of wish he kept those insecurities throughout the show. It would make him more three dimensional. I'm tired of hate sink villains because their often one dimensional. And the best part is, he still would work as a villain, just more fleshed out.
But do you think he'd remain PE?
That's still not a motive. It's just another pride=good, humility=bad moral that's more often used to convert people to religions or used in propaganda. And has been used to keep me in poverty and shame me. In fact, all of Avatar's morals have done nothing good for my life... except get me in trouble.
Plus, Ozai reminded me too much of Balon Greyjoy. And HE, had an understandable motive. To him, paying the Iron Price is what makes the Ironborn strong. And for them to lose that, is to him, a sign of weakness. I've seen this mindset in both real life and fiction. And while I don't agree with it, I understand it. But all this god wannabe jealous of brothers was cliche even when I was born and more often has been used in propaganda.
Azula is also not all that interesting. And is not as smart as she seems because ANYONE could figure out her plots if they had REAL brains.
Never watched any of the Scream movies, so got nothing for that.
I agree.
I'm tired of hate sinks anyway. They have no real character at all. I think there was only one time Joffrey seemed like a fleshed out character. The scene in episode 3 of s1 where Cersei is tending Joffrey's wound is the only time where Joffrey seems somewhat sympathetic and humanized. He’s embarrassed, insecure about living up to his father, and was initially honest about how he failed. I kind of wish he kept those insecurities throughout the show. It would make him more three dimenmsional. And the best part is, he could have still been a villain.
Perhaps Belos would have made a bit more sense if Owl House had been more bold and actually made it clear that Belos was a devout Christian who does all his crimes in the name of God. Kids won't be kids forever.
@Becks5120 That works better for a villain who actually IS a Force of Nature, like the StarCraft Amon.
I like Unalaq better then Ozai. Because Ozai has no motive. He's just a "Mwahahahaha! I'm evil and a badly written Ozymandus vibe that was outdated when it was first written!" With Unalaq, I DO understand his motive. Because people in reality have used religion to try and vilify people like me and turn my home country into a theocracy. And I actually understand why. Because letting go of outdated and dying traditions is never easy.
Enough about me. What about you?
Well, Boo is what adults WANT little kids her age to be. Sweet, barely talking. No signs of any terrible twos or any darkness. Like REAL little kids. And Sully starts off as a cocky, arrogant, top of the league jerkass. The kind I've had to put up with all my life. And it's easy to like a caricature like Boo. So there's no believable reason for me to buy his friendship and fatherly relationship with her.
And the morals and worldbuilding, terrible. The idea of using screams for energy is interesting. But the whole thing about kids being harder to scare makes no sense if you think about it. As kids, we're all taught that monsters are not real. And thus we grow out of it. All the "monsters" in our rooms were just figments of our imagination. Nightmares born from stress from fear of the dark. It's something we all grow out of.
But here, this is not the case. Monsters are very very real. And even an adult would be frightened and scream if a monster got the jump on them in their room. Because we humans are unprepared for unexpected surprises in the night. So the whole "it's all in your head thing" doesn't work. Because they are not in your head.
And the laughter thing at the end, is another kids movie portrayed in a negative light in favor of courage or laughter. But even courage and laughter, have dark sides. Too much courage can cause you to do incredibly dumb and dangerous things. And too much laughter can cause you underestimate the danger of a situation.
And the positive side of fear, can keep us safe and out of trouble. It can also just as easily keep our dark side at bay as it can intensify it. For example, I'm scared of becoming a villain if I decided to be judge, jury, and executioner on people.
And Monsters Inc could have shown this. We need to take kids out of their comfort zones. It teaches them that the world is not always a happy and cheery place. And I've seen what happens when we mollycoddle them. The grow up being totally unprepared for how to deal with the darkness of the world. Causing them to grow into resentful teens and adults who become this way from being unable to handle darkness.
Or maybe this is just me being unable to anticipate a goodness that everyone but me can see. After all, I'm on the autism spectrum. My brain processes information differently. My emotions work differently. My morality works differently. And as such, there have been a number of villains whom I feel a kinship with. Such as Randall. I have similar problems my temper as he does with his. I'm looked down upon by people like Sully. And I'm not only on the spectrum. I'm also transgender. And if you've been living under a rock, then I should inform you that there is an aggressive propaganda campaign across the united states that paint people like me, as villain just like Randall. So perhaps I feel kinship with someone whom I've been compared to.
Of course I'd never kidnap in real life. But I've seen people deemed "normal" do horrible things after getting ideas from stuff like "South Park". While I'm deemed "insane" "alien" "freak" "abomination" "threat to children" for having a mental disability, and being born in the wrong body, and for understanding hate sinks.
I never did like Monsters Inc, anyway. It gives humanity too much credit (like most of Pixar's movies) the world building is awful, the morals are bad, and I hated Sully in the movies first scenes. Because he reminds me of bullies in my childhood. And Boo didn't feel like a character, rather a tool of emotional manipulation.
Well, it backfired because of a saying. As a kid, you want to be the hero. As an adult, you understand the villain.