All posts by StockingFan15

"Alex isn't a good comparison since his torture wasn't an infinite death loop like Diavolo and he gets out of it by the end of the story. Furthermore, Alex's fate is still played with sympathy despite how terrible he was."

You made a counterargument to my comparison and then just immediately countered your counterargument by saying it was still played for sympathy....ok.

"Going back to Ian Peek, he completely lacks redeeming qualities and while he is a Villainous Benchmark, this is only because he is standard and Peek pretty much has the personality of a Pure Evil Villain."

And Diavolo isn't standard....in fact, he's been argued to be one of the most evil characters in JoJo (although personally Dio is worse). On top of Ian Peek being standard, he is in a series with far more vile villains who get way less terrible fates. If he is that below the standards while getting a fate that terrible, does their villainy really outweigh their fate?

"Another example is TFP Megatron. In his case, he was widely considered Pure Evil before the finale. However, the reason he doesn't qualify as a Pure Evil Villain is because he is horrifically tortured by Unicron which was worse than all of his atrocities and that is why his torture prevents him from being NPE, making him a Scapegoat"

You are completely wrong here. First of all, his torture, while horrible, is not what prevents him from NPE, it's the fact he quits villainy because of it. And second of all, he isn't a fucking scapegoat and for good reason. This guy tortured his own minions and tried to wipe out millions, and was portrayed this way throughout the entire series. Also, I can clearly tell you haven't actually seen the series because if you did you would know this didn't happen in the finale. He DIED in the finale. He only got brought back to be possessed and tortured by Unicron in the tie-in film.

His fate was meant to be karma even if it is excessive. Furthermore, if they were bad enough to be pure evil before their fate then they can't qualify as a scapegoat because the whole point of scapegoat is that their fates overshadows their villainy, which objectively cannot happen if they were already portrayed as a really awful person beforehand. Its the same reason why Alex from A Clockwork Orange doesn't count as a scapegoat and he isn't even pure evil.

As for the question, as far as I am aware of, none at the moment.

Isaac absolutely enjoys the pain he gives others. What are you talking about?

Malekith is forgettable to a point people legit thought he was a generic doomsday villain

How about this; Stop being lazy and look it up yourself. It ain't hard to find the removal

As far as abuse goes that still doesn't meet the baseline. Abuse has to go beyond just typical abuse and unfortunately that is just standard abuse. Gaslighting and keeping you in the tower is still bog-standard.

But even if you argue it is enough, she still not be pure evil in a million years cuz we have the animated show which has many villains with similar resources that are worse; One of them including her own daughter Cassandra.

This is old but I think I have thought of a series with a high heinous standard despite no PEs; Taken

Idk why people are saying Johan, he's probably one of the most technical karma houdinis out there; The whole world knows who he is now, and by the time of Another Monster it's only just implications that he escaped.

Anyways, going with Invictus. Full stop, I literally can't think of anything worse. Why? Cuz his karma houdini status is a direct result of the series not only getting cancelled but essentially becoming illegal. And cuz of this, it lead to possibly one of the most downer endings in animation ever. I sincerely can't think of anything worse

@Frieza force soldier 100 "His own NPE page notes that one of the people who called him out suffered just as much as him if not more."

I thought we already just explained why that isn't a good argument against a tragedy? Not everyone handles tragedies the same way, and in Dabi's case he's made to point out the actions of another villain who has been reasonable for how he ended up.

"PE"

Junko is a professional engineer?

Btw I find it interesting how Chaotic Evil is the only one of the three to not have a balance seeker type, although that does kinda make sense why it doesn't.

Light Yagami is lawful over evil type lawful evil (despite being pure evil), Palpatine is a balance seeker type neutral evil, and Joker is definitely an Intelligent Monster type chaotic evil.

I think people are using his actions as a reason for why he's a hate sink than anything about his personality. He's generally a character who has alot of evil is cool despite how evil he is.

Btw if killing fan favorites is a reason to count someone as a hate sink, then I know some magnificent bastards who would be a hate sink by that logic.

Hard cut, he's literally a YTP villain and him being serious is apart of the joke. This shouldn't even be a debate

Cuz his sympathetic death had alot of ambiguousness to it, since people didn't feel sympathy for him afterwards